So we both went off and chose our forces and built our list. I decided to take Markconz Gryphonne IV Skitarii Legion list for another test run and same points cost on the CLP&QC combo.… Trent built his list Codex Astartes as below. Then we swap armies…
First thing I said was…not much deploying on the table, is there? and 3 BTS formations…. love it..
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Armies used
Codex Astartes (4000 points)
PREDATOR [350]
4 Annihilator, 2 Vindicator
TACTICAL [425]
6 Tacticals, Supreme Commander, Rhinos, Vindicator
TACTICAL [375]
6 Tacticals, Rhinos, Chaplain, Vindicator
TERMINATOR [400]
4 Terminators, Chaplain
TERMINATOR [400]
4 Terminators, Captain
TERMINATOR [400]
4 Terminators, Chaplain
LANDING CRAFT [350]
1 Landing Craft
THUNDERHAWK [200]
THUNDERHAWK [200]
THUNDERHAWK [200]
THUNDERHAWK [200]
MARAUDER SQUADRON [250]
2 Maurader bombers
MARAUDER SQUADRON [250]
2 Maurader bombers
Gryphonne IV Skitarii Legion (NetEA 2.1)(4000 points)
ORDINATUS MAJORUS [550]
1 Ordinatus Majorus, Ordinatus Golgotha (Hellfire Missiles)
ORDINATUS MINORUS [600]
3 Ordinatus Minorus, Minorus with Carapace Landing Pad, 2 Minorus with Quake Cannon
SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [275]
5 Sagitarii units, 5 Rapiers
SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [275]
5 Sagitarii units, 5 Rapiers
SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [425]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units, Magos Character, Minorus with Support Missile
SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [225]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units
SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [225]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units
ORDINATUS MINORUS [425]
3 Ordinatus Minorus, 3 Minorus with Gatling Blaster
ORDINATUS MINORUS [425]
3 Ordinatus Minorus, 3 Minorus with Gatling Blaster
ORDINATUS MINORUS [575]
3 Ordinatus Minorus, 3 Minorus with Plasma Destructor
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Deployment
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Turn 1
Strategy roll: Codex Astartes wins roll off..
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 1] - [AIR ATTACK] Notes: "THUNDERHAWK 1 comes flying on a safe distance and does a 75cm shot to place a BM on ORDINATUS MAJORUS"
[Codex Astartes ] [Thunderhawk 2] - [AIR ATTACK] Notes: "Thunderhawk 2 target, ORDINATUS MINORUS 1(BST) and deals a BM and takes down a void shield."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 1(BST)] - [Hold]Notes: "failed to active and does a hold action."
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 1] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "fail to active."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and goes onto over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 2] - [GROUND ATTACK]Notes: "active and goes for Slsdc1, killing three infantry and dealing 4 BM’s"
[Codex Astartes ] [RETAIN] [Thunderhawk 3] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "active and makes a shot at ORDINATUS MINORUS, in the SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY 3, not hitting it, but deals a BM to the squad."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 3] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "fails to active and does a hold to regroup."
[Codex Astartes ] [Thunderhawk 4] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and deals a BM to the ORDINATUS MINORUS 4"
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 4] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "fails to active, and does a hold action."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL 2] - [OVERWATCH SET]Notes: "actives and put it on over watch."
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1] - [ADVANCE] Notes: "actives and moves"
[Codex Astartes ] [LANDING CRAFT] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "landing craft actives deploy it load of Predators, and all shot at the ORDINATUS MAJORUS, loses 3 voids and gain's a BM."
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and goes over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL(SC) 1] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "actives and double moves"
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY3] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "fails to active and does a hold"
[Skitarii Legion ] [ SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 1] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and stay on over watch."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and stay on over watch."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ ORDINATUS MAJORUS] - [MARSHAL SHOOT] Notes: "fails actives and does a hold removing everything."
Post-Turn Notes: MARAUDER SQUADRON 2 manage to fly off table, but not without being shot at and leaving off enemy zone, which gives them 2 BM’s, Thunderhawk1 willing a BM for flying off enemy zone, Thunderhawk 2 only getting one BM for being shot at, Thunderhawk 3 is fine no BM’s added, Thunderhawk 4 takes 2 BM’s, one for been shot at and other flying off side which is enemy zone. SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 1 doesn't remove BM. LC fly off with two BM’s,one for been shot at and other flying off side which is enemy zone
END OF TURN SHOT
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Turn 2
Strategy roll: Gryphonne IV Skitarii Legion
[Skitarii Legion ] [SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 3] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "actives and double moves"
[Codex Astartes ] [Thunderhawk 3] - [AIR ATTACK] Notes: "Thunderhawk 3 target, ORDINATUS MINORUS 1(BST) and deals a BM."
[Codex Astartes ] [PREDATOR] - [SUSTAIN] Notes: "fails to actives so does a hold action and targets the ORDINATUS MAJORUS , which takes out the shields and deals 1DR and 2BM."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 3] - [ADVANCE] Notes: "actives does a single move and then shots at CAP killing 4 dealing enough to break it. So it feels back to the ruins and passes DTT"
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 2] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and does a ground attack at SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY1, dealing one kill, but there enough BM’s to break it and the unit retreats."
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "actives and double move"
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 1] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "fails to active and doesn't come on"
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MAJORUS] - [SUSTAIN] Notes: "using Supreme reroll, to active ORDINATUS MAJORUS it does sustain fire at TACTICAL 2. killing three dealing 5BMs. "
[Codex Astartes ] [LANDING CRAFT] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "active's and goes to shot at ORDINATUS MAJORUS, dealing 1 DR give it enough BM’s to brake it."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 4] - [MARCH] Notes: "actives and march move..
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK1] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "fails to actives"
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and stay on over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 2] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and shots at SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2, killing a stand and dealing 2 BM’s"
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 1] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and goes over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 4] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "fails to actives and doesn't come on."
[Skitarii Legion ] [SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and stays on over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL 2] - [MARSHAL MOVE] Notes: "move around a bit and removes all the BMs"
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and stay on over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL 1] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "actives and double moves towards MORE COVER!! lolx"
Post-Turn Notes: LC fly's off without any problem, Thunderhawk 2 takes a wounds and dealing 2bm, Thunderhawk 3 and takes two BMs, MARAUDER SQUADRON 2 a BM for being shot at..
Rally time PREDATOR makes it, SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 1 fails to rally, ORDINATUS MAJORUS fails to rally, SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY2 removes BMs, ORDINATUS MINORUS 1(BST) remove a BM.
END OF TURN SHOT
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Turn 3
Pre-turn Notes: teleporting term 1 gets no BM, term 2 gets 2 BM’s, term 3 get no bm.
Strategy roll: Codex Astartes wins the roll…
[Codex Astartes ] [TERMINATOR 3] - [ENGAGE] Notes: "overmatch fire onto TERMINATOR 3(BM places), doing nothing to them and move into CC without trouble, killing two ORDINATUS MINORUS and wining the engagement. ORDINATUS MINORUS brakes and stays put, the TERMINATOR 3, consolidate back in to cover."
[Codex Astartes ] [RETAIN] [TERMINATOR 1] - [ENGAGE] ! Sup Cmd Reroll! Notes:TERMINATOR 1 almost didn't their make roll in CC, but SUP reroll makes it. Killing a ORDINATUS MINORUS and dealing a wound to another.TERMINATOR 1 wining the roll off, the ORDINATUS MINORUS and fall back. The TERMINATOR 1 stays put…
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 3] - [ADVANCE] Notes: "actives, turns around and shoots at TERMINATOR 2, killing two and dealing enough BM to brake it, and so it flees.."
[Skitarii Legion ] [RETAIN] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "Actives and double moves onto an objective marker."
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 1] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and shots at SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1, killing 2 stands and deals 4 BM’s"
[Codex Astartes ] [RETAIN] [THUNDERHAWK 1] - [GROUND ATTACK]Notes: "actives and shots at ORDINATUS MINORUS 1(BTS) hits losing a shield and dealing a BM."
[Skitarii Legion ] [ORDINATUS MINORUS 1] - [ADVANCE] Notes: "actives and hits both TERMINATOR 1 and 3, killing two from TERMINATOR 1 and give it three BM’s, TERMINATOR 3 didn't suffer a killing, but enough BM’s to kill a stand."
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 3] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and shots at SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1, missing their target and gives them another BM."
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [ADVANCE] Notes: "failed to active and does a hold action."
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 2] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and shots at SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1, killing two and finally deals enough BM’s to brake it. So it flees forwards"
[Skitarii Legion ] [SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "active and stays on over watch."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL 2] - [OVERWATCH SET] Notes: "actives and goes on over watch"
[Skitarii Legion ] [SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY 3] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "actives and shoots everything at the lone term 2, finally killing it with Barge missile."
[Codex Astartes ] [TACTICAL 1] - [DOUBLE] Notes: "active and double moves to claim both objective on SM side of the table."
[Codex Astartes ] [PREDATOR] - [MARSHAL MOVE] Notes: "fails to active and does hold action."
[Codex Astartes ] [THUNDERHAWK 4] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "actives and goes for slsk1, nearly killing the squad, leaving one commander left."
[Codex Astartes ] [MARAUDER SQUADRON 2] - [GROUND ATTACK] Notes: "failed to come on ."
[Codex Astartes ] [CALT] - [ENGAGE] Notes: "actives and does a engage action with SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY1, and kills the seg within the firefight…failed armour save..
Post-Turn Notes: LC fly off without any problem, Thanderhawnk4 takes a BM for flying off the wrong edge, Thunderhawk ? takes 2 BM, the rest of the flyers, fly off without any trouble.
Rally time, term 3 do not remove BMs, ORDINATUS MAJORUS failed to rally, Minorus with Plasma Destructor does rally, Minorus with Gatling Blaster fails,SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY rallies, Minorus with Quake Cannons removes BMs.
Final Notes: SM wins 2 to 0
| Victory Condition | Codex Astartes | Skitarii Legion |
| 1. Blitz | NO | no |
| 2. Break their sprit | NO | no |
| 3. Defend the Flag | Yes | no |
| 4. Take and Hold | No | no |
| 5. They Shall not Pass | Yes | no |
Sorry no end of turn shot
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As it turned out, I manage to get into his back yard and had enough space to place small formations, in his blind zones or where he could get little or no befit from over watch fire..There was couple of time he chose not to shoot since, it was not worth it..His argument is that, would have place a BM and may have kill a guy if lucky. He would rather have full effect and was waiting for me to move the formations later in the game once the formation were place on the table. Out all of the combats in turn three, the BM would have made no difference to the out come..
He was also not help, by some of his activation die rolls either, it didn't help, with me placing BM’s on formations from the air, out side his AA range..I also target the three units that could reach my two formation on the table from far and manage to basically keep them quiet most of the game and later in the game, gave him other targets, like three BTS…
I was playing safe the first turn or two with the aircraft, but a 6+AA shot, is nothing to be overly scared of..He did manage to fire about 25+ shots off for the whole game, since there was no way of total not flying into it, but I manage to cut number shots fire at me and manage to close some of it down, but he only manage three hits and only one of those turned into a damage…
The game was to test the CLP at 100 points with the Two QC..We both think it’s not worth that, but will add it will depend on want race you are facing and list builds… Case in point, todays game, Air heavy…I think also corner deployment will play apart in that and table terrain setup too. A long with player skill level..
Our thoughts on the matter at this point in time, are as follows and from more then one direction i guess…
1) Is to cap the CLP at 50 points and look at increase the Quake Cannon by 25 points for the Skitarii Legion, if people or games prove that the CLP/QC combo is showing it should be 600 points..This still effects the aploc barrage missile, but not as badly as 100 points…
2) Change the hellfire missile stats(points increase too) so that it makes, the player look and think about using it, when compering it to the CLP/QC combo..
3) ORDINATUS MAJORUS could be given a initiative rating1+ and points increase..
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